[00:00:01] Hello, fellow travelers. Welcome to Fates Wide wheel. I'm your host, Sam Fein, and this week I'm here to talk about the family treasure, episode ten of season two of the Quantum Leap revival. I'm really, really excited about this one for a lot of reasons, some personal, some just as a part of this passion that is our love as a collective community and fandom of quantum Leap. I think the family treasure overall is a fantastic episode. It's a lot of fun. It's a wonderful adventure, has an excellent sense of humor about itself, some wonderful moments for our series regulars, some great moments for our guest stars. And I just think some important moments, frankly, as loaded a term as that might be for network television, primetime network television.
[00:00:47] And I had the great fortune of speaking with Shakina once again about her episode. Of course, she's the writer, and it was such a joy. And so I hope that you'll check that interview out, if you haven't already.
[00:01:00] She was just amazing, of course, and getting to talk to her about the genesis of this episode, her inspirations for certain scenes or themes, just the overall plot arc, the way that the episode fits into season two, on the whole, at least as much as we can talk about it thus far, was just wonderful. And of course, being able to talk about some of the issues that were raised, the history of the episode, the affirmation that trans people are not new. We have always been here, and the opportunity to explore that from the perspective of 70 years ago when a vocabulary that we have today did not exist, and to see the way that was handled so gracefully, so wonderfully, so emotionally, so touching.
[00:01:49] And it's just a thrill. So much about this episode was just such a thrill. So I'm looking forward to talking more about it. Before I do that, I did want to mention a couple of other things. First of all, shout out to the folks over at the Quantum Leap project. They have been doing some awesome stuff, including the director's commentary, which, of course, is something that I think both shows had talked about doing separately over the past year. I know that I mentioned it, I think probably about almost exactly a year ago, wanting to do that and hoping to have the opportunity during hiatus to do that. Unfortunately, there were strikes, so it never really came about to do that for season.
[00:02:26] You know, when it comes to my time and my resources, I just don't have the bandwidth to do that right now for the most part. So I'm glad to see them doing it. They've also done one for the family treasure with Shakina and Jude Wang, the director of the episode. So I haven't had a chance to check that out. I've heard a little bit from Albie about it, which is exciting. So you certainly have to check that out. They released a new banner recently about know we are the bonus features. And I'd like to say that I think that applies also to Fateswide Wheel. I know Matt, whom I love and Miss Dearly, and I, on this very show, on Fateswide Wheel, talked about that multiple times about how our shows really have been the bonus features. And it's something that Shakina touches on in the interview that I did with her, the desire for those to exist. But unfortunately, in lieu of NBC producing anything official, you get Quantum Leap project and fate's wide wheel. And I'm thrilled to be able to be a part of that and to have the access and the opportunity that I do have to speak to these amazing, creative, wonderfully talented human beings who are so passionate about this show and know their shit. I know there are some of you out there. I'm talking to you. No, not you, but you. I know that there are some of you out there that question their passion sometimes, and their knowledge of quantum leap in general. But there's no doubt in my mind that the passion exists and the knowledge exists. And I've had conversations, off the record conversations with folks where they are specifically citing episodes of the classic series, if not as inspiration, but maybe as a parallel in some way. And it's always so wonderful to hear and kind of geek out over, because it's a reminder that that's one of the things that ties us all together, both the people making the show and the people watching the show. So always a thrill to be able to do that. And again, I really encourage you to check out the interview with Shakina. If you haven't had the opportunity to do so, go back and check out the interview with Alex Berger from last week. I loved conducting that interview. It was such a joy to talk to Alex, and I thought that there were a lot of really great points, not only about off the cuff, but just season two in general, and some tantalizing hints, not really, about where things might be headed. And the same thing with the Shakina interview. I feel like she drops a couple of hints here and there that are certainly perhaps might shed a little light on the direction that things might go in some instances, which is really cool.
[00:04:59] There's so much going on. I hope people are paying attention and following, especially Instagram. I feel like the Instagram accounts have been such a wonderful source of information and peaks behind the scenes right now, both the official NBC Instagram account and of course, if you're not already, follow Raymond Lee, follow Caitlin Bassett, follow, you know, specifically, the three of them are posting a lot of know Nanrissa posts stuff on occasion. Ernie Hudson's official channel posts stuff as well.
[00:05:32] Drew Lindo is obviously posting a lot of stuff, or had been. I mean, now that things have kind of wrapped, it's slowed down a little bit, but there's just wonderful, wonderful stuff out there on Instagram. And of course, QLP is posting stuff. I'm posting stuff. So follow the Instagram accounts in particular because there's just a lot of really wonderful stuff about the show. Behind the scenes looks, promo pieces, promo videos, which there have been three that have aired for the family treasure, which you've already seen the episode at this point, so you don't necessarily need to see these promo videos. But I just can't help but think that all of the amount of promotion that NBC has been doing for Quantum Leap this week specifically is a wonderful sign.
[00:06:18] I feel like there is definitely a strain of optimism that is running through a lot of folks right now. In spite of seeing some conversations on social media, on Facebook, specifically, Facebook seems to be where a lot of that pessimism or worry or concern resides right now, which is fine and fair and totally worth talking about. But again, I'm not in save Quantum Leap mode yet. I am in show your love for the show. Write those letters, make those posts go for it, go all out. I'm just not quite to the save Quantum leap level yet, and I don't think we need to be. So yeah, take that for what it's worth, but there's just been a lot of wonderful information out there. By the time you're watching this, you'll have seen the preview for the outsider episode eleven of season 2211, directed by Deborah Pratt, written by Margarita Matthews and Rammy park.
[00:07:07] That teaser is something that I haven't seen, so I have no idea what they've shown. I don't know much about the episode at all. I was trying to wrangle one of the guest stars names, but I was unable to get it before recording this.
[00:07:22] So all I can say is I have a feeling that 211 is going to be a fantastic episode. I've certainly heard some scuttlebutt about that. You've got a great creative team already in place on that with Deborah directing. I've heard that it's a smaller story a little bit more contained, perhaps, than some of the other leaps that we've had recently, not necessarily a bottle episode, if you will. But I can only imagine that there's going to be some incredible follow ups because of the way that this episode ends, and we are certainly going to talk about that.
[00:07:51] So is there any other news and notes that I wanted to mention? No, of course, by the time I release this, I'm sure there'll be something that's just the way it always happens. Right? But I hope you've had a wonderful Tuesday, a wonderful beginning to your week. I'm so grateful that you're joining me.
[00:08:09] I think in the spirit of quantum Leap, we always want to spread kindness and appreciation any way that we can, and we certainly want to try to set right some things that are going wrong. So I would encourage you, of course, to look around your community, see what's happening out there in the world, see if there are ways that you can step up, see if there's ways that you can offer help and aid, whether it's volunteering, donating food or clothing, or if you're in the financial position to do so monetarily as well, if you want to look at the world at large. Of course, I will always throw my support behind the Trevor project, which I think with this episode in particular, is even more salient. And I think that the work that the Trevor project does is incredible and wonderful and essential to the livelihoods, the well being of trans youth in this country.
[00:08:55] And I think know what happens. What we see in this episode is the Shakina esque care bear stare of love and joy. And unfortunately, sometimes it goes the other way. And with an organization and a charity like the Trevor project, which works so hard to make sure that when that story does go the other way, that there are systems in place that trans youth can have the support that they need is vital and it's important. So if you are so inclined, that is certainly a charity that I will always, always throw my support behind. As well as, of course, Doctors without Borders. They do incredible work, life saving work, terrifying work at times, and terrifying places, and they certainly need our help. Also, in the memory of our dear friend Matt, Dale mentioned Epilepsy Foundation UK, which I know was a cause that was near and dear to his heart. So if you are so inclined to make a donation to them across the pond, feel free to do so in Matt's name in his honor. That would be lovely. If, after all of that, you would like to support this little podcast, your podcast host. They would appreciate it.
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[00:13:32] Let's move on, shall we, and talk about the family treasure. Written by Shakina directed by Jude Wang this is the 10th episode of season two of Quantum Leap, and we find ourselves in 1953, again, just right out of the gate. I had so much fun watching this episode both times that I watched it.
[00:13:54] I think that the overall plot of the episode holds together so well. It's got some wonderful fun twists and turns, but that thematically, what really holds the episode together as far as this family having to discover affirm the importance of their connection with one another and not letting life get in the way of that.
[00:14:20] It's just a wonderful throughline, told beautifully. And, of course, we get some wonderful character moments along the way. We have an afab, transmassed, non binary character in 1953. How cool is that?
[00:14:36] And we have a woman in a horrible marriage that she thinks she is duty bound to stay in, because that's just what the patriarchy says still to this day. That's how some people function. And I think that to see it from this lens and to see the way that these sisters and siblings support one another is really wonderful. And I think that that being kind of the spine of the leap is incredibly successful. When we look at the hq stuff, outside of that, holy shit, there's some big stuff that happens in this episode.
[00:15:15] And I think that last episode we saw Hannah, which is always a big to do, and we get the big information, oh, my gosh, she's married. She has a son.
[00:15:24] It's not Ben's son. It really isn't. That's not. Just stop. Okay.
[00:15:32] And then, of course, we get the information, sadly, that her husband Josh will pass away due to a heart issue in just a year and a half's time, as of the end of that particular leap. And Ben wants to do something about it, but can't. And I think that when we see Ben in the initial moments of this episode, that is still weighing on him quite heavily, and as the will is being read and their inheritance is kind of being parceled out, Ben is clearly only half present, which is really interesting. And I think the dynamic of it, it's very subtle, but I think that what Ray does in those opening moments, supported, of course, by the script and some of the other things that happen, especially once Addison pops in, it's really wonderful because you can tell that he's still fish out of water, right, like normal when he first leaps into a situation. But on top of that, there's this other thing working at him, gnawing at him. And the stakes are super high in that. And I really just loved how that played out in a very subtle manner, while not drawing focus from kind of the exposition, the setup here of what's going on, which I thought was also handled very well. And we get these clearly defined character moments as well, which was done very well. Sarah, played by just get. We know who she is right away, which is lovely. Dean. They have this wonderful moment when they're given the baseball glove and they say, dig it. And again, we just get this kind of this window into someone that has an identity separate from the way that others perceive them, which is an important aspect of the character going forward.
[00:17:21] And, of course, we get the reveal that there are clues hidden inside these gifts. Not just clues, but pieces of a treasure map.
[00:17:29] How wonderfully, you know, Indiana Jones just bam. Which, of course, reels me in right away.
[00:17:37] Let's go ahead and talk about the project just a little bit. And I know I'm kind of flying through some of this stuff, but it's because there are some things that I really want to talk a little bit more about. And I don't want to give short shrift to some of these wonderful, nice moments that are happening early on. But let's jump back to the project. Of course, one of the things that we got left with was the proposal and Addison saying yes to Tom's proposal of marriage at the end of 209, off the cuff. And here we see the two of them happy and we see the two of them sharing that with Jen and Ian and magic.
[00:18:10] The reactions are very interesting. Especially magics.
[00:18:16] Especially magics.
[00:18:18] Magic has been a pillar for Addison in so many ways over the course of this season. He has encouraged her to follow her heart. He has encouraged her to live for the moment.
[00:18:37] And I have to be honest, his actions within the course of just this scene alone have me questioning if what he was actually talking about this whole time was Tom.
[00:18:51] It's weird because he even has a line in this scene about how this is about their know, much to Ian's chagrin, because they are talking about know they want to plan the wedding. Wedding planning is their love language, which is hilarious. And Mason is awesome.
[00:19:09] But it's just fascinating to me because I couldn't help but walk away from this scene feeling like magic was not on board with this.
[00:19:22] He was being supportive. He was being, I think, what he thought they needed.
[00:19:27] Tom and Addison what they needed. But there was something about the look on his face, the delivery of the lines that just felt a little non committal about the situation. Almost like he knows what's coming, which was really lovely. And again, not what I necessarily thought it was going to be. What's also interesting is we get conversation after this between Jen and Ian where Ian is kind of pushing Jen in a way that says they think Jen's not on board with this and Jen is like, no, I think it's team, you know, Addison and Tom now. It's going to be fine.
[00:20:07] And while Ian is doing this, they, of course, I think, are in that position of being supportive.
[00:20:13] But again, I couldn't help but walk away from it feeling like both Ian and Jen while talking about being supportive and wanting them to be happy and liking Tom. There just seems to be a little something with all three of these HQ members that they're not all the way in, that the know, beneath all these positive comments of what they're saying is I miss Ben and I think Ben and Addison are the couple, not Addison and Tom.
[00:20:50] Maybe that's me projecting because one of the things that happened over the course of this episode after off the cuff, which I thought was fascinating because of some of the things that happened in off the cuff, obviously, with Hannah, have me reinvesting in Ben and Addison and not that, you know, completely divested myself of their relationship, I've always kind of hoped maybe that they would find their way back to one another and yet was also okay if they didn't. Especially with the nature of Ben and Hannah's relationship and the way that has just sparkled over the course of the kind of. Again, I could be projecting, but I almost felt like the characters were feeling similar to how I was feeling, that they're okay with Addison and Tom, that they think this could be good for Addison. And Tom's a good guy. He really is a good guy. I know, but he really is.
[00:21:51] And yet there's this feeling of kind of like it should be Ben, which is actually kind of lovely. And it's wonderful the way that they're supporting their friend and yet at the same time holding that little piece inside saying, like, we miss our friend and we miss our friends being together as a couple. So, yeah, I felt like there was a lot going on and it was wonderful. And I think know we see the beginning of it here. Caitlin gives an incredible performance over the course of this episode. She really does, because so much of what she does is devoid of mean. Yes, she has dialogue in the episode, and yes, it's wonderful, and there's some incredibly funny moments that she has. But the character arc that takes place for her over the course of this episode is done almost completely without dialogue until kind of like her final scene in the episode. And it's wonderful work. It really is. So kudos to Caitlin because I think that it's very difficult to know, especially in scenes where you're not the focus. And in some know. And kudos to Jude Wang for this as well, because maybe it was written this way. So to Shakina as well. There were times when Jude clearly made the decision to put the focus on Addison in spite of the scene still taking place in the know. There's some stuff where that happens, like in the caverns, and it's really wonderful. It's excellent storytelling. And again, Caitlin rises to the occasion to be able to tell that story simply with her eyes. And it's beautiful stuff.
[00:23:25] Back to the leap. Of course, the adventure is on. After some cajoling, they all get together and they're like, all right, let's do it. Let's go on this treasure hunt. This is, of course, after we get one of my favorite comedic moments, probably just in general in the revival. I mean, that it's right up there with some of the best because, let's face it, they bring the funny.
[00:23:48] And it's this wonderful moment where Addison and Ben have stepped away and are discussing everything. And Ben, of course, has this wonderful moment about, you know, why couldn't I help to save Josh? And Addison has this lovely line, know, the accelerator, we don't get to choose who we save. The accelerator kind of does that for us. And I think that it's just this really wonderful moment, this idea that there is this metaphysical aspect of leaping that they don't have full control of.
[00:24:23] And I know that there are people out there that would say, well, now, wait a minute. Sam had control of his leaping. But it's like, did he? Did he?
[00:24:30] Because, yes, that's what we're told in mirror image. But we've also been told some things that feel a little contrary to mirror image by Deborah Pratt herself on this very show where she has mentioned that she doesn't see Sam leaping as himself, that he is still leaping and inhabiting other people walking a mile in their shoes.
[00:24:48] And maybe he has some control. Like, clearly he has the control to go and speak to Beth as himself and tell Beth what's up and get her to wait for Al. But, yeah, I don't know. Until we see something definitive on screen, which we may never get, I just think it is up for debate. And I think that the way that the show kind of leans into that aspect is also fascinating to me and feels more akin to the classic series than mirror image did in some ways. Not that I'm dismissing mirror image. I think mirror image is fantastic in many ways. And I love the ending. It made me cry. It gutted me for the longest time. Still kind of does in a lot of ways. But I don't know. I just appreciate it so much and I love the ending. But anyway, that's neither here nor there because the comedic moment that I was talking about occurs when Dean and Sarah are fighting and Ben is trying to kind of figure out, do I find the treasure or get these siblings together. And Addison, they stack their heads out the doorway and Addison kind of says, it might be easier to find the treasure. And the look on her face, the delivery, the way that their heads are poked out from the doorframe is just brilliant. It's wonderful. It's a great moment.
[00:25:58] And I laughed out loud both times that I saw it. So anyway, now we're down in Mexico after this, and we get one of our first big obstacles, which is, of course, theft of the bag and the map by Ricardo, who is up to no good flirting with Sarah, being tall, dark and handsome as he is almost devastatingly handsome. And the flirtation with Sarah is enough to distract, I think everyone, because Dean and Ben are kind of like, whatever, let's go look at the pictures on the wall and find dad. And sure enough they do. And Sarah comes over to join them. And when she does that, the bag gets stolen, the map gets stolen.
[00:26:45] Ben has this wonderful moment where he set up this gag of going finishing school, learning these things in finishing school. Nadia, who he's leapt into, failed to mention that earlier. And I love the way that gag is set up and pays dividends throughout the course of the episode. And one of the when it does, it's been drawing this map from memory because, of course, he has a photographic memory, just like our other favorite leaper. And redraws the map with the clues, they realize the well concealed. Oh, this is the clue. We've got to find that well that dad's standing by. And they're able to do that through the map.
[00:27:27] They find the well, they go down into the well, much to after Sarah's protestations, they find a rope. The rope just so happens to be there, which is convenient, but they go down into the caverns, the tunnels. And again, we're just getting some wonderful moments between these siblings. And Dean and Sarah are clearly having difficulties. Sarah is dead. Naming is. Is really after Sarah.
[00:27:58] And the interesting thing is, never once do we get the feeling that dean's like, just leave your husband and change your life. Take hold of your life.
[00:28:06] Do this, do me. They really are kind of throwing a lot of shade at Sarah for the choices that she's made.
[00:28:22] And the way that they kind of belittle one another and bicker with one another is very affecting because it's clearly a case where these people don't understand one another and don't understand the positions that they're in. And I think that that's kind of lovely because as they're having these discussions and they're having this back and forth, I think Ben starts to realize more and more what they each need and reaches fever pitch once they exit the tunnels, which we'll get to in a moment. But while they're in the tunnels, there are also still some wonderful moments where you start to see the connection between these know. One of those moments, of course, happens when Sarah gets the key right and sticks her arm into the hole in a very Indiana Jones esque way and then plays the trick on them that her hand's been caught. And Dean, it's funny because they actually kind of like that Sarah has a sense of humor about this and it's wonderful.
[00:29:25] I don't know. And then, of course, Ben delivers the very funny line about how it wasn't that funny. It's just a wonderful moment. The beats are so perfectly played, like, it's just like, boom, boom, boom. And I really appreciated the sense of humor about it all. Of course, at this point, obstacles arise. Ricardo shows up with a gun, and so does Mr. Wells, the lawyer. Ricardo is killed, and Mr. Wells turns out to be a dirt bag.
[00:29:53] And throughout all of this, eventually, there is a cave.
[00:29:57] Dean dives for the key. They get the key, but unfortunately, they are wounded during the cave.
[00:30:05] Sarah is mortified by this. And I think that that, again, is where this genuine sibling connection starts to come through. And you start to realize that all of this bickering, all of these low blows that they've been exchanging throughout the course of the episode thus far, it's born from a place of hurt. It's born from this wedge that's been driven between them because of their different outlooks and their different perspectives, but that what ties them together is stronger.
[00:30:32] And I think that's an incredibly valuable lesson, whether you have a sibling or you're just a human being existing in this world. And I think Shakina has a wonderful way of telling that story, even subtextually, throughout the episode.
[00:30:46] At this point, they're able to escape the tunnels. And once they do, Dean's shirt has been torn and their binding with the elastic bandage is seen by Sarah. And Sarah points it out.
[00:31:04] This scene is so incredibly lovely for so many reasons.
[00:31:10] It's the interplay between all three of our characters, Sarah, Dean and Ben.
[00:31:18] And then what's happening at the project between Jen and Ian and Ian watching, it's just like this.
[00:31:30] This. It's amazing the way that it all ties together and the way that these human beings are relating to one another. The conversations that they're having, the reactions that are being provoked to the genuine emotion and honesty that shines through is so as. As Dean struggles to explain who they are to Sarah, Ben steps up, and Ben's an know as was established in let them play.
[00:32:08] Ben now has the knowledge, the vocabulary, and he had that, really, I think, before in some ways, but now to know Ian Shakina.
[00:32:21] Ben has some skin in the game, right? And the way that Ben relays this information and gives this vocabulary and this knowledge to Dean and to Sarah is so lovely. And the way that he does it, by way of Ian and talks about my best friend at finishing school, which as soon as he called them Ian, as soon as he called them his best. Just this well of emotion just existed inside of me because I think that it's something that we've not been reminded of as much throughout the course of this season as we were in the first season. There were multiple touchstones. Know, Ian would say it or Ben would say it. By the time he realized who Ian was and everything, it's like, wow. You know, their friendship was incredibly important to the point. Know, there was a moment when I might have actually kind of shipped Ian and Ben, and maybe in some ways still do. You never know.
[00:33:20] But this moment was so beautiful because the way that Ben facilitates this coming out with this incredible sensitivity and this incredible amount of heart and the way that it sparks this joy within Dean and this acceptance in Sarah. Just seeing the way that this works together is so beautiful. And then seeing Ian's reactions to all of this and Mason, what they're able to do in that moment is so beautiful.
[00:33:58] The way to go Ben song line is incredible. The acknowledgment of the history of this moment, Ian's line of trans mask in the Jen's knowledge as well, being like, hey, aren't the bindings dangerous? Again, good eye. Yes, but there weren't a lot of other options at the time. And that reminder that when the people existing in this life and at this time, that the options were so much more narrow, that finding the fit was so much more difficult.
[00:34:48] But that doesn't take away the fact that they existed and that the stories that come down for 50, 60, 7100, 200, 501,000, 2000, 5000 years of human history and trans people existing throughout that entire timeline and having to find ways to exist. And at sometimes in that history, it was much easier to do so. But in the 1950s, in conservative America, it was incredibly difficult to do so. And there were support systems, luckily, but it was also illegal. It was illegal to wear a certain number of articles of clothing of the opposite sex of what you appeared to be.
[00:35:37] It was illegal to be gay. It was illegal to have sex. It was illegal to make love to your partner.
[00:35:45] The world had a much more narrow perspective. And unfortunately, that meant for some folks, that was thrust upon them, too. That perspective was thrust upon them, too. And they had to struggle to define who they were. And in Dean's case, we get this wonderful moment where they have an accomplice and a facilitator in Ben. And Ben is able to kind of hand off this information and to see wilder does such incredible work here because that euphoria, that joy, that understanding, that empowerment is so visceral and so real.
[00:36:28] And they do such an incredible job in that moment.
[00:36:31] And I love, obviously, like, Holly's work as Sarah, her reactions to them are really beautiful. And in that moment, it's about these siblings and ray kind of being the facilitator and the accomplice to that. And also, in this incredible way, filling Nadia's role. And who knows what Nadia would have been like in the original history, right? We don't know that because in the original history, Dean went down by themselves and got lost and never returned. So who knows exactly how Nadia would have actually facilitated any of this, given the opportunity. But in this instance, Ben gets to kind know, be the best version of Nadia, which really is this lovely moment between these siblings, Ben included. And I just love the scene so much, and I cannot state enough how much I love Mason's work in the moment and how the combination of all of these things is so incredibly moving and so incredibly touching.
[00:37:31] And I think in the course of these couple of minutes, we get that heart and that history and that humor and that hope and those four h's are just there in full flush. And it's gorgeous. And it means a lot. It means a lot to someone like me, especially someone like me who was unable to articulate my own gender identity until I was 40.
[00:37:59] And to be able to go back in time in my head and realize all of those moments, those potential moments, when, if I would have had a Ben song, if this version of Quantum Leap would have existed when I was younger, how that moment could have potentially come earlier for me, and that unfolding could have happened even prior to this. And so I am so thankful, and I am so grateful to this moment to exist on primetime network television and to see it done in such a beautiful way. I can only hope, and I can only just hope that there are other people out there that will see this and that maybe they'll have that unfolding, maybe they'll have that turnkey moment and be able to get the vocabulary and the joy and the euphoria and the empowerment to be who they are.
[00:38:56] And that also others will see that and be able to accept people for who they are, will be able to put themselves in Sarah's shoes and be able to have that moment where they can see someone close to them for who they truly are and use their name and their pronouns and be okay with that. And realize that spine, that love, that humanity, that kinship that connects us all as human beings far outweighs any of the ideological differences or ignorance that might come to bear on these situations so often. And so it's just such a joyous moment for me personally. And the impact and effect that people like Shakina and people like Mason have had on me personally by way of this show and being able to facilitate and empower, it is true, it is real. It actually happens. And I can only hope that this moment will ripple out and Shakina's care bear stare of love and joy will radiate in such a way that there are other people out there that find something that they need from this moment, whether that be their own empowerment, their own euphoria, their own vocabulary, or their own ability to accept others for who they truly are.
[00:40:23] I think it's possible. I know it's possible.
[00:40:28] We get this amazing moment for Sarah, too, where Sarah decides that she's leaving her husband Douglas. And it comes in a moment of know, her own empowerment, like seeing her sibling empowered and being able to kind of say, like, we should be able to live the life that we want to lead and the way that that ripples out, of course, to somebody like Addison as well, it's a great moment. And of course, Dean has the wonderful say, you know, you just had to steal my moment. And apparently that was an ad lib from Wilder, and then they kept it in, which is lovely, but, yeah, what a fantastic moment. And just, I think, an emotional climax in some ways for the episode as it pertains to the leap side of the story.
[00:41:12] Eventually, they get to the church. Once they're at the church, they are able to find the treasure chest, and it's empty. But of course, in the midst of all this, they also unlock one of the waterways for the dam, and water comes into the dried up city, which is also interesting. And you kind of wonder, like, I wonder what effect that will have, impact that might have on the future.
[00:41:39] But there is a letter in the bottom, and that letter is basically a confession from a father to his children, saying, I realized too late the most valuable lesson and part of this mission that I've sent you all on was so that you would have the opportunity to realize it before it was too late, how important family and home is. And I think the wonderful thing about kind of the meta side of this and the subtext side of this is that it's not just about siblings, right? That family, you choose your family, and sometimes that means the people that you are related to, sometimes it doesn't. And it's the same thing with home. You choose your home, and your home could be the road your home doesn't have to necessarily be a house with a picket fence or whatever, but I just think that, again, on sort of that metaphorical level, there's this beautiful subtext at play with the idea that family and home are incredibly important to the fabric of who we are. And a life devoid of that might be a life a little less worth living, quite frankly. And I think that what dad leaves behind for them is an incredible gift and more. We'll get to that. One of the things that, of course, is happening at the project during all of this is that Ian gets a phone call from Rachel, and Rachel is very distressed.
[00:43:25] Apparently, her boss, Gideon, has figured out that somebody has been in his system, and he's not happy, and there's going to be repercussions. And Rachel is, I mean, terrified.
[00:43:47] What Alice brings to this, of the boa is just, yeah, it's pure terror at what could happen. And Ian, of course, they are scared for her, for the situation. And Jen, of course, is like, you got to come clean. You've got to tell magic what's been going on. We don't necessarily get the opportunity for that, however, kind of side by side with a lot of this. Again, we're getting that Addison story, and part of what we're seeing from Addison is the realization that not only is she still in love with Ben, which I think has always been on the table, quite frankly, but that now there's the real possibility that he could come back. And what does that?
[00:44:29] You know, we saw a little bit of it in last week's episode off the cuff, but I think she kind of went so in the other direction of just being like, it doesn't matter. I've made my choice, and my choice is Tom. And I know that he wants to marry me, and I'm doing this. This is the thing you do. And it's interesting because it is kind of that weird parallel, not that I think Tom represents the patriarchy or anything like that, but it is this interesting parallel to Sarah. It's an interesting parallel to Dean in some ways, too. The idea that it's like I have to fit into this structure that I've created for myself or that has been created for me by circumstance, because Ben got lost for three years and I declared him dead and I moved on with Tom.
[00:45:10] But we see that erode throughout the course of this episode and the realization that all of this stuff, all this information, know you only get one shot, and you have to live your life, and you have to live your life with the people you love. It's really starting to kind of come to the forefront. Naught her to the point where she breaks things off with Tom, and we get this incredible reaction from Tom. Tom clearly isn't happy. Tom is clearly like, I got to get out of here. I got to go back to DC. But it's also handled in this incredibly sensitive manner where it's just kind of like, I need to let you go so that you will understand that I'm the one that's here and not in, like a know, kind of know, I'm your only option, baby, or whatever.
[00:46:01] But I don't know. It's just an incredible moment. Peter does a wonderful job with it, and it's really well written, and it's very sensitive moment. And again, it does not issue any of the real genuine emotion of the moment. It does know stifle any, I think, what Tom's natural reaction, the disappointment, the sadness, the hurt of this moment, it's all there. But there's also something maybe a little bit more noble at play, maybe a little bit more caring at play, maybe a little bit more honestly loving at play, which is a great moment. And I think it puts Addison in a really interesting position. Right.
[00:46:37] But Addison also affirms with Ben, I'm not going anywhere. Later in the episode, which is also lovely, once they get back to the house, Ben writes a letter, and he asks Sarah to mail it in 20 years.
[00:46:55] And I got a lot of feelings about this.
[00:47:00] First of all, I love it. It's a great little Doc brown moment. Right back to the future nod. I love it.
[00:47:07] It definitely feels like something Ben would do. It's also kind of a nice nod in a way, to the leap, and that's the way that they get the imaging chamber open for Sam.
[00:47:21] But it also feels.
[00:47:26] It raises some incredibly wonderful ethical questions, which I love, which is the intent, I think. I don't think that the creative people in charge of this, they understand that. And so to see Ben make the choice to do this, you start to wonder, should he do this?
[00:47:47] Is this okay if the accelerator decided to leap him out at that moment? Maybe they don't.
[00:47:53] God, time, fate, whatever. Doesn't want Ben to stop this for whatever reason.
[00:48:00] Is this a situation where Jeffrey goes on to do this, or Hannah's life goes this way or whatever, or you hate to think that that could ever be a possibility. You want people to be able to.
[00:48:17] And obviously, the circumstances that have affected this community, this podcast, QLP and everything, know we've been affected by, know, you just shudder to think that there's a case where someone's early passing would ever be justified for any reason whatsoever. So purely from a storytelling perspective, you just kind of have to wonder, what would the repercussions of this be? The big question I have, of course, is who opens this letter?
[00:48:43] Is Hannah the one that gets the letter?
[00:48:47] Married couples sometimes open one another's mail, right? Sometimes kids open their parents mail.
[00:48:55] I think Josh is going to read this before Hannah does, and I'm really curious as to what the repercussions are going to be.
[00:49:04] And I don't know if we're going to find out in the outsider, but boy, do I wonder.
[00:49:12] There is clearly so much stuff coming.
[00:49:18] I have heard some exceptional things about the season finale. You will hear some of that from Shakina in the interview, if you haven't already listened to it, because she had the opportunity to shadow Chris Grismr and was there with Drew Lindo, who wrote the episode while the episode was being made.
[00:49:37] Wherever we're headed, I think the implications of this, the ripple effect of this moment, are going to play out in very interesting, devastating, fascinating, amazing ways. And I am incredibly looking forward to it. I'm so invested, and I respect everyone's right to their own opinion. If it's not for you, it's not for you, that's fine. But I literally do not understand how, if you've watched this season, you could not be invested, especially at this point, like, fully invested in where this story is going. The character driven arcs that we have gotten for the bulk of the first two thirds of the season now playing out and affecting this plot arc that we're starting to get is just wonderful. The way the pieces are all coming together. And I said this last week, and I'll say it again, the opportunity to go back on Peacock right now. You want to help the show? Go back on Peacock right now and start watching season two from the beginning and start following these threads and seeing the way that these pieces are coming together now. Because I think that it has been masterful the way that this has been plotted out, and it has not been too. In your face. It has not been too nudge, nudge, wink, wink. Hey, look what we're doing here. It has been done beautifully and subtly and intentionally, and I love that. And kudos to the team for putting that together.
[00:50:59] So now let's get to the big finish.
[00:51:06] Okay, I get the screener. I hit play. They've been doing this thing on occasion where they'll post, like, some spoilers at the beginning of the screener. So I literally put my hand in front of the screen like so. So I will not see what the spoilers are until the episode proper starts. Episode starts. I see kind of the. Previously on Quantum Leap. See the leap.
[00:51:33] Good. You know, they get to Mexico, those credits start popping up. I see all those familiar. Know, all these people that I'm so fortunate to have the opportunity to talk, know. It's like, cool. Great. Oh, the actors, yes. Wonderful. Oh, the guest stars. I should probably start taking some out my. Get out my old Kindle scribe here, get my little stylus, start taking my notes. And then I see it, James Frane, and I think to myself, okay, with what I know about this episode, I don't think that's not a guest star for the leap, and that's not a guest star that you just get in a one like, that's a, you know, from Star Trek discovery. That's Spock's dad right in, you know, that's Thomas Cromwell from the mean. Come on now.
[00:52:34] What a wonderful, incredible get for the show. What an immensely talented actor. And if you've ever seen James Frane in anything, you know that he is often very different from role to roll to roll. And this is no exception, because when Gideon Ridge walks in to the hq, to the control room, who, boy, I mean, it's electric.
[00:53:04] And just. I mean, already potentially my favorite guest star in Quantum Leap ever, because I'm just looking at him and I'm like, oh, where is this going to go?
[00:53:23] And how terrifying for everyone. Like, rachel is there. And then here comes Gideon, and here comes Gideon's people and Jen and Ian and the whole team. Like, what the hell is going to happen next? And that's where they leave us. And holy shit, again, big moment after big moment after big moment. And I think that, yeah, we're in the end game now, right? Like, every episode is going to have those moments. Nine had them, ten had them, eleven is going to have them. Twelve is going to have them, 13 is going to blow your freaking minds. My mind. And right now, this show deserves all the watching. And if you have somehow stumbled onto this podcast, for whatever reason, and you were watching this and you were thinking to yourself, well, I should check out that quantum leap. You're damn right you should head over to Peacock right now, watch every single episode of this season that you have yet to see, and then watch it again, because it deserves to be seen.
[00:54:20] And I am so excited at the prospect of more stories getting told by this team in this world with these human beings. I think that all bets are off going forward. I think that this is a season where potentially not everyone makes it out alive. I thought that in season one, but I really think it here and I don't know what the hell that means. I think that there's going to be some game changing stuff.
[00:54:45] Part of me is speculating that somebody else steps into that accelerator at the end of the season, maybe Addison, that things are about to change.
[00:54:57] And the harbinger of Doom within Project Quantum Leap is Gideon Ridge, as played by James Frane. And I'm so excited to see what he's going to do next in this role and how everyone is going to react to that. So bring on the outsider, bring on the last two episodes. I am all in. And I'm so grateful to have the opportunity to not only talk to people that are involved with this show and bring those conversations to you, I'm grateful for you being here to share that with me. Because the power of community and the power of this energy that's flowing between us all as we experience this show is very real and it's very palpable right now. And it is shared with the people that create this show and it is wrapped up in all the people watching the show. And so, yeah, I'm not going to belabor the point. I'm stoked. I'm excited. I didn't use my notes at all, so I'm sure I missed something. Oh, the flood scene. I meant to ask Shakina how they did that because it looks so good and I just really enjoyed that particular moment and I missed it. I missed talking about it here and I missed talking about it to her. But I'll throw it out there now for you.
[00:56:11] But, yeah, obviously I continue to be all in. I'm so excited. I'm excited to share it with you. I want to know what you think. Please leave those comments.
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[00:56:44] Check out again what QLP is doing because they're talking to some great people, talking to guest stars, doing their directors commentaries. And yeah, I cannot believe as this drops, there's only two weeks left in this season, three episodes in two weeks. It has come way faster than I think I expected and anticipated the work that is being done right now. Yeah, they've stopped shooting, but there's all that post production and stuff to do. So people are working really hard to bring you this. And I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful for you once again. So, with all that said, thank you so very much. Keep watching Quantum leap, keep hitting that download and that like and subscribe button supporting the show. I really appreciate it. I love being able to talk to you.
[00:57:40] Take care of yourselves, take care of one another. Stay safe out there. And remember, always, unlike most of the people in the show that we love, both iterations always leap responsibly.